Mon 17 Sep 2007
I’ve always been very interested in all religions but never felt I could commit. I really feel I know too little about the Christian religion and the Bible to say ‘Yes, this if for, me!’ or ‘No thank you’. I attended Bible study on Saturday’s in the summers when I was growing up. Neither of my parents are religious, but my Mother sent us to Bible study so we would have some knowledge of the most famous book in the world. I didn’t really know that we weren’t religious until I was twelve. My Mom always told me we were Protestants, that seemed reasonable to me. I went to church with one my friends on occasion. I definitely believed in God and believed Jesus was God’s son. I knew and loved a lot of the stories in the Bible. At twelve, I remember asking my Mother some question about the Bible and my Mother’s response was, ‘Oh Angie, I don’t know. I read the Bible once. It’s a nice fiction novel’. Well, that statement opened a whole new realm for me. Was the Bible fiction? My Mother was really a good Mother. Smart, loving, caring, hard working, fun, a good wife and just had a lot of common sense. So, for a long time I believed her. Interestingly, my Sister Amanda, who is six years older than me, started to go to church every Sunday with one of her friends when she was in high school in the late 70s. My parents seemed to be okay with that. I thought it was so unfair that the rest of us had to stay home and do yard work while Amanda went to church on Sundays. My parents said, ‘Do you want to go to church?’ and I said ‘Noooo’ and they said ‘Then get to work’. My Sister has continued to go to church and really thrives in life because of spirituality. She is very easy to talk to about religion and as adults we’ve had really great conversations about God and Christianity. She never judged me for not being religious, but she freely shared with me why her faith was so strong. Amanda has had many spiritual epiphanies. She feels God has spoken to her and I believe her. Here faith opened up the door for me to have ‘faith’, unfortunately my other Sister Amy’s faith slammed the door shut. My Sister Amy found God about 10 years ago. She started attending a Methodist Church, like my Sister Amanda. Amy definitely needed something in her life, so I thought it was a good thing for her. When I tried to have conversations with her, she wasn’t so open. When I suggested that possibly Mary Magdalene was Jesus’ wife and spiritual partner she said ‘absolutely not’. When I suggested that the passages chosen to be in the Bible were based on the politics of the time, she wouldn’t have anything to do with it. Her opinion seems to be that there is only one way to interpret the Bible and only one way to believe and if I did not believe in that same way my soul was at risk. Well, I became strongly interested in Buddhism after that.
After a while my interest in Christianity could not be kept at bay. I kept thinking how can a book that has been around for so long, read and worshiped by so many people, not contain some truth? On the other hand how could a book written thousands of years ago and interpreted and translated many time over, be taken so literally? Why is it that Christian’s say the Bible is the ‘one true book’? How could there be only one true book written in thousands of years? Especially, when that one true book has so much in common with a lot of other writings and oral stories that came before it? And why can’t I interpret the writing in my own way? Can’t God speak to me and tell me ‘My truths’ through his word?
I also have a lot of questions about one of the most beloved men of all time, Jesus. Jesus lived two thousand years ago, how is it that that his teaching still speak so strongly to people today? He must have been someone incredibly special. He was an amazing teach, his words are beautiful. He was like a rock star, loved by the young prophets looking for something different, looking for meaning in there lives, so hated by the grown ups that couldn’t imagine breaking from tradition. My friend Barb says ‘Jesus was aBuddhist’. From all that I read, it seems obvious to me he was a pacifist. Yet how is it that so many wars have been waged in Jesus’ name? It seems so ironic to me. I think Jesus just shakes his head in disbelief.
I know my Sister would be so comforted if I could just find Jesus. How do I tell her I think I may have found Jesus, just not the same Jesus she found.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:44 am
Jennifer Hawkins Thong…
I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….
October 18th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Thank you for your nice comment Jennifer.
March 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
You wrote: “I may have found Jesus, just not the same Jesus she found”
The enigma is always that we start out thinking we know the answer and we just have to find the question that fits the answer.
If “Jesus’ is not really the right answer for you, you are not going to do any more than run around in circles. You are not a pilgrim seeking their true path to a destination, but just a racer going around in circles on a set track in the hope that if you go around enough times that you will be a “winner”.
You know that any scientist or historian who starts out with a preconceived notion of what they will find will be able to find the “answer” they are looking for. Which is not empirical logic and will more often than not lead to being caught up in your own trap of illusions.
The search for Spirit is no different. If you go into the search looking only to find your predetermined answer then the question you come up with is moot.
Talking about Jesus, “the rock star” or Jesus “the pacifist” is trying to make him fit is rationalization to make him fit as the answer to the questions you are coming up with. You already said that you believe
Jesus was the son of God, so you are not going to readily incorporate anything into your search that contradicts that.
You mention that your religious discussions are with your mother, your sister and your friend, all women. So, why are you looking to a “man” for your answer? The idea of a supreme male deity has only come about in the last 5,000 years, but for 200,000 years before that the goddess deities were the archetype. But, they are not a part of your search for the right question, are they? Why not?
March 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
John,
Thank you for your comments. I had to go back and read what I wrote since it was several months ago. It’s interesting how you interpreted what I wrote. I don’t feel that Jesus is my ‘answer’. I don’t feel that any one person or diety is my ‘answer’. I think of Jesus as an enlightened being and definitely not the only one that has lived on this planet. I do believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but I believe we are all children of ‘God’. I am interested in all religions, but I don’t think I will ever commit to one. I guess that I don’t feel like God is man or woman. I’m not exactly sure what God is and I am okay with that. I am a spiritual infant and I am not sure if I will ever get beyond that in this life time, I’m just enjoying the journey. Again thank you for your comments. I have not written on this blog for a while and you helped me get back to it and you brought up some very good points.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I have to tell you that I did have a self-interested reason for coming to your blog. There has been some confusion with some in the public who think that “spiritwalk.org” is associated with us at “spiritwalkministry.com”. This is understandable, in that at one point we did have a companion blog site to our site at “spiritwalk.net?” Unfortunately, we had to close it last fall after it came under “attack”. (Someone began to send out thousands of spams under the “spiritwalk.net” address.). So now some search engines appear to be linking our two sites. Not that it is anyone’s “fault”. We did have posts about “The Secret” and “Shamballa”, {not Shambhala), on spiritwalk.net and when people look at our pages quickly they think we have the same header. (Yours is green with a car and ours is green with an apple, but the mind does play tricks, if you aren’t paying attention to detail.)
Anyway, as far as this blog topic is concerned, it does illustrate the point that everyone is looking for “the answer”. There are those that will tell you that they know “the answer”, but they don’t really tell you “the question”. That is the real problem.
At 40 years old, you are not a “spiritual infant”, though a lot of people want you to think that, because it is a lot easier to get you to believe what they want you to believe if they can get you into a “parent to child”, authority figure type mind set. (Which is why a priest is “father”, a rabbi is “teacher”, etc, etc.)
An infant is a blank slate, but by the time you are an adult your black board has been written on so much that it is a jumble. I doesn’t matter how liberal a religious upbringing you have had, you have still been “programmed”, if not by those around you then by society and when new spiritual ideas come to you it is “automatic” that you try to make those ideas fit in with that programming. Again, you are accumulating answers and not really looking for a question.
Whatever you experienced visiting Shambhala , at least unconsciously, you experienced from the perspective of “What would Jesus think of this?”. Right there, your programming has kicked in. So, you never fully experienced Shambhala. Nobody could, because we are all programmed to think we already have “the answer” and we are trying to make the question fit the answer.
All this goes to explain why “spiritwalk.net” was attacked. Someone was going along happily on their supposed spiritual journey, then they read something we posted and it took them out of the “comfort zone” that their programming had given them. Their response is then not to try to reprogram or even question their programming, but to silence the messenger on the theory that if you destroy the messenger, you destroy the message and you can then return to your “happy place”. (Protect the program with a pogrom.)
A common modern analogy is that when you have a problem with your program, you need to reboot. While this is an idea that has merit it does bring up the fear that we have that like the computer, if we reboot we may lose the work we have already done and we have to do that work again. It is much easier to think that all you have to do is be “saved”
I personally know of a woman who converted to Catholicism in her late sixties. You would think that if you asked her “why?”, somewhere in her response “Jesus” would come up in the conversation. Her reason for converting was, “I was tired of trying to making decisions about right and wrong and I wanted someone to tell me what to think’.
How do deal with that?
Eve dealt with it by eating the apple.
But, that’s another story.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Hi John,
Great and very valid points. I had, of course, seen your URL and checked out your website a bit. I do plan to go back and read more. I am sorry that your other site was attacked. Unfortunately there are a lot of angry and confused people out there!
Thank you for your posts. I have really been enjoying them!
Angela
March 30th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
I hope you do stop by for a visit. If you do, let me give you a couple of tips about getting around our site.
In the “Who” section we outline our mission statement, which is quite simple. We see Spirit Walk Ministry as a “living library” and our job is to serve as clerks in that library.
You will go into a library with an inquiry or just looking to find information on a certain subject. It is the job of the clerk to show you where in that library you can find information on that subject. That is what we do. We show you where to look and we may even point out a book or books that we have found helpful. But, that should be where our responsibility ends. It is your responsibility to read the books and interpret them for yourself.
Speaking as a library clerk, from my experience, where I think your basic area of interest is best addressed would be in our “Earth Mother” and “Awakening” sections.
In the “Earth Mother” section I deal with the “feminine” element. Amongst other things, I needed to outline and explain the early tribal goddess cultures AND incorporate that with the Judeo-Christian idea of the feminine as illustrated by Eve in Genesis. If I had written that all out it would have been so long and boring that nobody would ever read it.
So, the text is a brief synopsis of the tribal goddess cultures. As for covering Genesis, at the top of the page you have a picture of “Lilith” and at the bottom is a picture of “Eve”. If you click the “Lilith” picture you will get a video explaining her story. If you click the “Eve” picture at the bottom you get a video of Mark Twain’s take on Eve. (Click the Waterhouse painting in the middle and you will get a video about the goddess trinity concept.)
That is the way the sight is arranged. Pictures and colored headers will lead to videos or other pages that “cross reference” what is on the page. We do that because the secret to being a preacher is to never forget the value of entertainment. Churches or theaters, it all comes down to putting bums on seats and a preacher should never forget that they are not just in the “religion business”, they are also in “show business”.